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Here is some information from the West Australia government and myself.
It’s suggested you conduct all your conversations about selling or buying on the open forum. Only go to Private Conversations after you are sure who you are dealing with and the validity of the sale. This will give you an extra layer of protection. This will also allow all your fellow members to view what is going on and then contact you through Private Conversations if anything looks suspicious. We have to help protect one another. Also never give anyone your credit card information over the phone or through email. Payment should only be made from a protected secure entity like Paypal. I mention PayPal because it is the only one I know and use. If the buyer or seller doesn’t take Paypal or something equivalent and refuses to sign up, pass on the deal. If the buyer or seller refuses to work with you on the open forum, pass on the transaction.

How this scam works

For buyers
Scammers will pose as genuine sellers and post fake ads in the forums Classified section.
The ad can be for a bike, part, accessory, and it may even include pictures and other details – often copied from a genuine seller’s ad. In order to lure a number of victims in a hurry, the scammer advertises the item at a low price, often much lower than comparable items advertised on the same site.
When you show interest in the item, the scammer may claim that they are travelling or have moved overseas and that an agent will deliver the goods following receipt of payment. Following payment you may receive a fake email receipt claiming to be from the website’s secure payment provider, however, you won’t receive the goods and will not be able to contact the seller.

For sellers
If you are advertising your items for sale through the forum’s classifieds, beware of scammers posing as genuine buyers. Scammers may make up stories such as needing your help to pay an agent or third party for upfront costs like transportation or insurance. They may promise you reimbursement for these costs. All lies.
Alternatively the scammer may send a check for more money than the agreed sale price. The scammer will invent an excuse for the overpayment, such as to cover the fees of an agent or extra shipping costs, or that it was simply human error. The scammer will then ask you to refund the excess amount usually through an online banking transfer, pre loaded money card, or a wire transfer, before you discover that their check has bounced. In both cases, you will lose the money you gave the scammer, and if you have already sent the item you were selling, you will lose it as well.

Warning signs

For buyers
  • The classified ad promotes a bike, parts, or accessories advertised at very low prices, often lower than comparable items advertised in our forum and other websites.
  • The seller claims to be unavailable (e.g. they are travelling or have moved overseas) and insists on payment prior to arranging for delivery of the parts.
  • The seller requests that you pay through international money transfers, checks, or direct bank transfers. Pay only through a secure payment service.
  • You receive a fake email receipt claiming to be from the website’s secure payment provider.
For sellers
  • The potential buyer is willing to purchase your item without having viewed it in person – even if you are selling an expensive item.
  • A potential overseas buyer is interested in purchasing your item despite it being a commonly available item in their home country. Often the shipping costs would far outweigh the cost of the parts themselves.
  • The buyer sends you a check for more than the agreed price, and then asks you to refund the overpaid amount.
  • The classified ad promotes bikes, parts or accessories advertised at very low prices, often lower than comparable items advertised on the same forum and other websites.
  • The seller claims to be unavailable (e.g. they are travelling or have moved overseas) and insists on payment prior to arranging for delivery of the goods.
  • The seller requests that you pay through international money transfers, cheques or direct bank transfers.
  • You receive a fake email receipt claiming to be from the website’s secure payment provider.

For buyers
  • If the advertised price of the bike, parts or accessories looks too good to be true, it probably is. If you have any doubts, don't go ahead with the deal.
  • Don’t trust the legitimacy of an ad just because it appears in our forum.
  • Do an internet search using the exact wording in the ad, many well-known scams can be found this way.
  • For expensive parts or a bike, the safest option is to only pay the seller after you have inspected the goods in person. Similarly, do not pay a deposit or any partial payments before you have inspected the parts or bike. Don’t fall for the bull about if you don’t send a deposit you will lose the item.
  • Avoid any arrangement with a stranger that asks for payment via money order, wire transfer, international funds transfer, pre-loaded card or electronic currency, like Bitcoin. It is rare to recover money sent this way. Again can’t stress enough to use something secure like PayPal.
  • Ask the seller to take more pictures of the parts you are buying. Ask for pictures that would be difficult to get, like the corner or bottom or odd angle shot. If the scammer doesn’t have the items he can’t produce these odd pictures because the only shots he has is ones he pirated from another ad or website. Ask for at least 4-6 more pictures.
  • Ask the seller if the parts fits a particular model bike and make up the model number. Example: normal GL1800A post GL1800RA. When he responds and says yes, he is obviously a scammer.
  • Ask the seller for something that is not true about the item. Ask him for some markings, part numbers, or some logo that you know doesn’t exist. If he says it is there, it’s a scam.
For sellers
  • Be wary of any transactions that involve an overpayment, and requests to refund the excess money by internet banking or wire transfers.
  • Avoid any arrangement with a stranger that asks for payment via money order, wire transfer, international funds transfer, pre-loaded card or electronic currency. It is rare to recover money sent this way.
  • If you have been sent a check for more money than the agreed price, send it back and ask for another check with the correct amount. Better yet get paid with PayPal or some other secure source.
  • Do not send the parts or bike to the buyer until the check has cleared in your bank account.
  • For items of high value, do not allow potential buyers to inspect the parts without someone else being there with you. Do not go alone.
  • Ask the buyer what model bike he has, then ask him a made up question about his model. Like something about the bike or something that relates to what he is buying. If possible make it a comparison question. Where you ask does you bike have this type or that type. Whereas the truth is that the bike would have neither. When he chooses one, the scam is revealed.
Disclaimer: The advice and opinions in this article and any future conversations pertaining to this article, are in no way to be construed as policy or rules of this forum. It is simply an opinion from a fellow member. No contracts, either expressed or implied have been formed pertaining to Classified sales except as outlined in the Terms of Use. No one will not be held responsible in any capacity for any outcome pertaining to the purchase or sale of any item listed in the forums Classifed section. All dealings and outcomes are the sole responsibility of the buyers and sellers involved. The right is reserved to discontinue any involvement with the Classifieds and/or this article at any time for any reason without prior notice. All the best. Tourer
 

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This is good information and can help someone from being taken advantage of. Craigslist is notorious for some scams and I've seen a few on there. We all need to be educated and protect our money, too much dishonesty in the world today.
 

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Check the date that the poster joined the forum, not just this one, and the number of posts by the seller. If they just joined the forum, be wary.
 
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