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I filled Tatanka's tank with non-oxygenated gas a couple of days ago, just to see if there was a performance difference. I can't answer the question after 1/3 tank with certainty, but there does seem to be more power at the throttle. This makes sense, since ethanol and methanol both have less BTUs than gasoline.


The other reason I'd like to run "straight" gas comes right from the Clymer manual that I bought from Trike Lady:
"During this test keep the following facts in mind:
a. Alcohol and gasoline mix together.
b. Alcohol mixes easier with water.
c. Gasoline and water do not mix."

Anyone who would like to assert that corn ethanol is a smart idea, please don't even bother. I've worked in agribusiness for about 35 years and converting a major food and feed source, corn, into fuel for a 0.1% net energy gain is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in the industry. Only politicians could be so stupid.
 

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why didn't they learn their lesson, gas-o-hol didn't work either
 

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Anyone who would like to assert that corn ethanol is a smart idea, please don't even bother. I've worked in agribusiness for about 35 years and converting a major food and feed source, corn, into fuel for a 0.1% net energy gain is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in the industry. Only politicians could be so stupid.
I run pure gas every time I can. The Wing never runs better.

I thought the Corn Ethanol plan had several layers.
1. It was a poor attempt at an alternative fuel source.
2. It was to provide another product sales outlet for the farmer.
I just think it was another great idea gone bad.
 

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Oxygenated fuels are pure crap IMO. They burn less completely (even if they do leave less hydrocarbons behind) and put out less powah in our engines. Given their procliity to absorbing water, they promote corrosion in our engine internals and other harmful effects. That plus the fuel takes way less time to go stagnant. While it may be a boon to some corn growers creating a somewhat larger market for product, I think we're better off using it as feed and having a nice BBQ.
 

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I rekin that thar corn is best used over yonder , with some sugar and yeast added in thar with it, build a fire under it and wait a spell ..... I guarantee you will forget yestaday if it is used properly!
 

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Abshalutely....hic;)
 

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Sorry guys have to dissagree on part. Yes ethenol is a pain and I would rather not deal with it. But methanol is not usually an addative to gas at the pumps. We ran methanol in our race car mixtures due to the fact that the octane rating is much higher. That makes a difference in high compression motors for power and knock. But it does create more heat to deal with.
 

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Santini got that right, will make all y'all feel sooo good too.
 

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I can't find any ethanol free gas anywhere near me. It should be optional not mandatory!

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I run straight regular when ever I can. I know most of the stations locally that don't put crap in the gas, on trips sometime times you don't have a choice.
Maybe it's because I want to believe it but I think I can feel more response in the throttle with straight gasoline.
 

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Don't get me wrong:
I AM a serious conservationist; I've resurrected and ride a 27 year old Wing and it's tuned well enough to get 38-40 mpg at road speed. That's conservationism!

And the heck of it is that there ARE ways to make alcohol that do make sense. In Brazil, they make it with cellulosic fermentation using the waste leaves from sugar cane/sugar production. Real efficient. Still wouldn't want to run it in my equipment if given a choice, but it can be efficient. And they give you a choice, gas or alcohol, with alcohol being about 1/2 the price of gas last time I was there. You can do the same thing with wood processing waste. Methyl alcohol.

But what are we doing? We use a PRIMARY product, not waste, to produce a lower energy fuel. Simply not smart.
 

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I run straight regular when ever I can. I know most of the stations locally that don't put crap in the gas, on trips sometime times you don't have a choice.
Maybe it's because I want to believe it but I think I can feel more response in the throttle with straight gasoline.
I know it makes a difference on my bikes. I put 20,000 miles on my Goldwing before I put regular no mix gas in my bike. It ran like never before.

Same thing with my Silverwing. I never rode it without no mix until a few weeks ago. I runs much better and the tank lasts longer.
 

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Santini,

I actually did recommend to an ethanol company several years ago that they meet with the owners of several large Indian casinos here in Minnesota to discuss the booze market for their product. Don't know if they ever got it done, but it gives me an excuse to play a good tune!

 

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Santini,

I actually did recommend to an ethanol company several years ago that they meet with the owners of several large Indian casinos here in Minnesota to discuss the booze market for their product. Don't know if they ever got it done, but it gives me an excuse to play a good tune!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onfce-UNmmE
I noticed last time I was in Gatlinburg that a whisky -still had been licensed and is in business there on the strip. I'm sure it isn't as potent as the unlawful sqweezings in the mountains, but to those who have never seen a working still or tasted white lightening it is an experience.
 

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The pure gasoline gets me better economy on the 1200.
 

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Many times I have done the gas mileage thing. I have 100% gas available here. I run it locally all the time. Just week before last I took off for the NC mountains, and once again I got 230 miles (when the light starts flashing) (driving 78 MPH) on the good stuff. Of course on the road, I have to use the 10% corn squeezins. Not one time, did I ever get 200 miles out of a tank (before the light starts flashing). If my math is correct, that is about a 13% reduction in mileage. I did 2300 miles in 6 days, and the last tank of 10%, over the same stretch of road as the first 100% tank (opposite direction of course), and the mileage is consistantly bad. Now that I am back home, nothing but 100% for my machine.:eek:
 
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