And after a short shake-down cruise, I think I'm gonna like them. Bars are closer together, lower and pointed a little more back towards me, helping the angle of my wrists, forearms and shoulders. Will have to take a longer trip to see how much they help. `My main complaint before was stiff elbows after several hours riding. This should help. I got them used from another forum member, think they were the Kuyraken brand.