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I know there is a couple of threads about going darkside but I haven't noticed anything about double darkside. To keep from changing my front tire twice a year, I am contemplating a Bridgestone Battleaxe BT45 130X70H18 Rear tire for the front of my '08. There is some discussion on another board right now with about 30% of those running this tire on the front having some problems- most notibaly a buzzing. The majority report no problem. Anyone here Double Dark an if so have any problem with this tire?
 

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We saw a few Doubles at the Gap. Its a pretty good looking set up.
 

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Last year saw one double darkside with a battleaxe on the front. 15,000 miles and the tire was cupped really bad. He has sense removed that tire and put an E3 on the front, still dark on the back and he is back to being happy.
 

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The 08 requires a radial tire. The 130/70H18 is a bias ply construction. Wouldn't recommend it
 

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:eek:I'm darkside on the rear only.
 

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The 08 requires a radial tire. The 130/70H18 is a bias ply construction. Wouldn't recommend it
Most of the folks that I met with doubles stated they were conservation riders. They seemed to go away from doubling if you like to ride hard.

Personally I was VERY impressed with the riding I saw out of Chopin114. His C/T gave him a huge advantage in the rain and did not leave him hung out in the curves. The White Wolf:D....can flat out ride.
 

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No Darkside for me , I'm keeping it old school
 

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One comment from a Double Darksider was the BT had a harder center with softer sides. His point was as a touring tire it would go the extra miles. Can't argue with the deep tread pattern like the CT on the rear. When it's all about traction in varied conditions, the deeper the better. It looked natural on the Wing. It looked just like the front tires on Harleys.
 

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Just remember, if you put a rear tire on the front, you have to reverse the arrow.
Yes and no. Everyone, and I mean everyone, of the Double D's we spoke with said they did it both ways without any noticeable change in wear or handling. Of course these were mostly east state riders.
 

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I have read on www.mcdarksidersformotion.com that the reason for this is that the rear tire pushes, and the front tire is being pushed. If you compare a front tire to a rear tire, you will notice that the tread is reversed. I don't fully understand the principle behind it, but I think the tire manufactures do. I'm sure the average rider would not notice the difference, east or west, but there must be a reason. Just saying

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I have read on www.mcdarksidersformotion.com that the reason for this is that the rear tire pushes, and the front tire is being pushed. If you compare a front tire to a rear tire, you will notice that the tread is reversed. I don't fully understand the principle behind it, but I think the tire manufactures do. I'm sure the average rider would not notice the difference, east or west, but there must be a reason. Just saying

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Yes sir. Makes sense to me too. Just like car tires: All technical understanding is against it; all experience is for it. Do I believe what I read or believe what I hear ?????? So far listening to voices of experience has worked for me. I reason ( a loose term for me ) that the front tire is just along for the ride and that any appreciable applied forces would only come from braking.
 

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ok... let me see here. C/T on front and rear, arrow on front tire to rear, front and rear treads reversed, bike rolls forward, forces during braking, pushing vs being pushed. Maybe for this topic, I'll not try to figger it out but just ride the darn thing :confused:

Which way do I face when I sit on the bike?
 

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I can see the rationaile for reversing it as it is being pushed instead of doing the pushing, but, I wonder if its abilty to shed water would be affected if reversed.
 

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I am also darkide on rear and for me I just need more info before going double darkside. There's lots of discussion on the 1800 and Saunders forum on double darkside. The lab rats that have gone double darkside have a ton of experience and knowledge to study to make an informed choice.
 

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I have a Michelin Pilot rear tire on the front and a Yokahama c/t on the rear. I only have about 300 miles on them but love the handling and the ride.
Hey Jansboy, what year wing do you have? Is that Yokohama the one they call the "Avid Envigor"? If so that is the next rear I want to try. Right now I have a General G-Max with over 13K and it is barely starting to wear and handles above average but I have heard some great things about the Yokohama.
 

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My Wing is a 2002 with 24000 miles I bought it 2 years ago.
The Yokahama is The Envigor. I'm sure it will outlast the other 3 sets of tires the original owner has installed.
Thanks for the info Jansboy. I forgot to ask...do you have that Pilot on the front mounted with the arrow or in reverse direction.
 

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I just got my July 2012 issue of rider magazine. Top of cover states UNSAFE AT ANY SPEED, CAR TIRES ON MOTORCYCLES?
The acticle states a lot of opinions from engineers but didn't include the views of those who have run ct's on mc's for millions of miles. With no documentation of claims of hazardous results it seems very slanted reporting.
I have about 1000 miles on my Wing since going to the Darkside. I am very pleased with the handling, the ride and the quiet operation.
I think those who are critical are those who have not tried or riden a mc with a ct on it.
My sons who both ride VTX 1800's and my brother who had a Harley Ultra Classic have riden my Wing and like the ride and handling. I'm convinced I made a wise choice.
The people who buy advertising in that magazine are motorcycle tire distributors.

No magazine is going to tell people that it's okay to run a car tire, for liability reasons - we know that. But to declare it's unsafe and dangerous without acknowledging that thousands of people have done it safely is nothing more than fear-mongering.
 

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The people who buy advertising in that magazine are motorcycle tire distributors.

No magazine is going to tell people that it's okay to run a car tire, for liability reasons - we know that. But to declare it's unsafe and dangerous without acknowledging that thousands of people have done it safely is nothing more than fear-mongering.
Here is the best research for me....It is unbiased.
I have read thousands of post from people who run a C/T and see nothing but positives. I have ridden along side of folks who run a CT with outstanding results. I want to see post from people who have tried a CT and didn't like it. So far the only negatives I see are from sources who have a reason to be conflicted.

So bring on the negative post
 
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