Now I have seen how the thoughts of many may go in different direction, but we all can learn something from each other. So I am hoping that someone here has participate in an advanced rider course as an experienced rider. Did you learn enough to consider it worth the expence. Do you find that you are using the techniques on your rides, consciously or subconsciously. In one way I know the answer in that we are always learning, but as the saying goes [it hard to teach old dogs new tricks]. I have gave my son a course for his birthday present to try to bring his skills up. If I though that I was going to get better skills that you find yourself using in the real world, on the road, then I had better book myself in next year. So far my forum mates have got me into the computor world and in 6 months have learnt to get into the site and post, new threads, photos. Being an impatient and frustrated type person that I am with trying to do something that my skill set are weak. I have done well.