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Hi All,
I'm Ben and new to the forum as well as a new (used) 85 GL 1200 Interstate. My first ever Wing and man I love it!! And to boot a pretty clean bike at 25 years of age, 53,000 miles. I want this project done by March and ready for the summer. I'll be pulling most all of the aftermarket stuff as I'd like to make the bike as much original as possible EXCEPT for my charging system it'snot putting any voltage at all at any rpm. I was by trade a mechanic for ford for around 30 years, so I know wrenches and tools, a big plus in my mind here.

The motor on the bike looks pretty easy to pull with the sub=frame Honda offered on this model, should I decide to go back with a new stator but from what I'm hearing and reading these stators seem to go out a lot in 84-87 models. So I'm thinking of going ahead with the mods needed and do the "Alt. Conversion Kit". These conversions I think look pretty cool and down the road should it go bad, it would be a much easier fix. I have acess to a welder, all tools needed (Pretty sure) and I live in a very small town with lots of auto salvage yards for parts like small brackets and the Alt.

So what my question is, does anyone know the cost of the kits offered on the net?
And what do you think? which way would you go? Either way will be done cleanly and with much care.

I'm looking forward to someone saying, Nice Bike! and be able to say thank you, that bike's 25 years old!!:D

Thanks everyone and Happy NEW YEAR!!!!

Ben
 

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There is a lot of info on web on this subject. There was a posting here, I think in the last week. Google it, I think it was something like "Poor ' ? ' Alternator". Maybe some here will help out, can't remember exact name.
 

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Hi Carl,
I'm sure that would have been me that brought the subject up in the new members section where I indtoduced myself and my new project, I ask about it there and thought I'd start a thread about the conversion in the proper place, "Engine Work". The name of the company mentioned before was "poorboy alternator conversion" and yes the links are loaded with good info. There may be others that offer the conversion???

I was just wondering if others out there in GW world have tried the conversion and if so are they pleased or wish they had just replaced the stator? What I wish is that the other 85 Wing stators with higher am ratings would fit my Interstate, like the ones that have many, many more buttons and options. Like the ltd models. I'm sorry but I'm not sure of the names on the higher end models that do have the higher output Alt.

I'm just pretty much looking for the best way to go to cut down on the same problem in the future.

Thank You for the reply!! Just a Happy new (used) Goldwing owner asking a bunch of questions and wanting to be ready to RIDE this spring on a nice and good running Wing!!... :D

Thanks again,
Ben
 

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Well Guys, I've sent an e-mail to the address on the link with poorboy conversion kits last night asking about pricing info and so on. I've not had a reply so far, does anyone know if the kit is offered anywhere on the market for sale?

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Ben
 

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don will reply to your email, just give him a chance. when i emailed him he replied back in a day or two
 

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Hi Ben . I have experience with both removing the engine and replacing the stator and a poor boy alternator set-up. I too was a auto mechanic (look at my profile), In my opinion replacing the stator would be the easiest and most cost effective way to fix the problem. The reason it burned up was proably the battery went bad and overworked the charging system. There is a Aftermarket stator availiable and the job to pull the engine isn't too bad , I mean it's a lot of crap but if you are a little set up ,air tools etc , you can do it in a afternoon. The poor boy alternator drives a alt off the camshaft via a belt which looks cumbersome and the cams are too slow to spin a alt that are supposed to spin fast ,Think of the pulley sizes on regular cars. I'll look for the stator and get back with you. Rob
 

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don will reply to your email, just give him a chance. when i emailed him he replied back in a day or two

Hi Buzzard,

I had an e-mail from Donald come in Monday just after making the post above. He sent pictures of all parts in the kit. Pulley, two Brackets, bolts and so on but the alt used in the conversion (Not included) was from a Geo Metro 3 cly. car. ( I think that's what it was?) I kinda have a feeling that alt. may be pretty pricey to replace should my first have problems. Even found a rebuilt GM newly chromed (Even the cooling fins) alt. for 89 bucks. I was hoping for a GM internal reg. type alt. EASY FIND!. Just the bolt up kit listed above was over 200.00 plus belts, shipping and the Alt. lus I'd much rather have a kit (should I decide to go that way) that runs right off the crankshaft, not the camshaft..

Thanks very much for the reply but I think I'll dig a little further before I decide on which way to go here. But in all honestly I need to get something done pretty quick, kinda stuck in my rebuild until this is ironed out, I'm ready to GO!!.

Oh and either way the motor would be pulled for a good cleaning and adding some chome parts and also polishing which would be much easier with the motor out. Check seals and so on.

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Hi Ben . I have experience with both removing the engine and replacing the stator and a poor boy alternator set-up. I too was a auto mechanic (look at my profile), In my opinion replacing the stator would be the easiest and most cost effective way to fix the problem. The reason it burned up was proably the battery went bad and overworked the charging system. There is a Aftermarket stator availiable and the job to pull the engine isn't too bad , I mean it's a lot of crap but if you are a little set up ,air tools etc , you can do it in a afternoon. The poor boy alternator drives a alt off the camshaft via a belt which looks cumbersome and the cams are too slow to spin a alt that are supposed to spin fast ,Think of the pulley sizes on regular cars. I'll look for the stator and get back with you. Rob

Robdog, THANK YOU!!!! Please let me know what you find. I'll be pulling the motor out either way for a good cleaning and so on. I'm set up with air-tools and all work will be done inside a heated garage. It's just that when I finish this project I'm hoping it ends my problems. There will be a aftermarket volt meter installed also so I can keep a good eye on the charging system. The inside of my fairing where gauges should be like Charging System, I see nothing on the 85 interstate and having never owned a Goldwing I'm not sure what's missing or should be on a stock bike from the factory. If anyone can post a picture of the inside area of the fairing showing what It should look like (Gauges and warning lights) would be a HUGE HELP!!!

Again, THANK YOU and let me know what you locate!

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Hi Ben heres the site for your stator .http://www.electrosport.com/products/product-detail-416.php . I don't think those wings had a gauge or any warning light . I had this problem with my 96 , when it shut down dead at a intersection with no voltage and several hundred miles from home. I got a compufire alt for my wing it's a 10 minute job to replace one on a 1500. After that I installed a heads up voltage monitor I bought from chrome world. It's a small led that is green at 12-15v yellow 11-12v red 10-11, flashing red below 10v ,flashing green above 15v ,About 40.00. Real simple to install and i don't want to look for a gauge while my gps is connected to the internet via bluetooth. No distractions please im ridin.
 

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.... The poor boy alternator drives a alt off the camshaft via a belt which looks cumbersome and the cams are too slow to spin a alt that are supposed to spin fast ,Think of the pulley sizes on regular cars. I'll look for the stator and get back with you. Rob
Not true! The "Poorboy" conversion uses a pulley attached to the crank. Robdog must be referring to the Dupliplex alternator conversion, that one runs off of the cam and does look problematic.

Combat flyer, you can download free repair manuals for your 1200 at this place, all you have to do is register.

http://www.goldwingdocs.com/

And this link is to a forum that is dedicated just to the GL1200, where you will find a thread about the alternator conversion, among many other helpful topics.

http://www.gl1200goldwings.com/index.php

The beauty of the external alternator is that if it goes bad on you while you are on a road trip you can usually get it fixed or replaced a lot easier, being the engine has to come out for the stator change. Also, it allows you to run more electrical gadgets without worrying about the charging system not being able to keep up with the load.
 

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The only one i ever saw ran off the back of one of the cams of course the crank would be way better . I saw a post about how long a stator should last and my answer is the life of the vehicle. Honda put too small of leads coming out of it and they burn up when the battery goes bad and overdraws the system. The stators work fine on my 1980 atc's
 

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Hi ALL!!!!! and THANKS!!!!

Well, I love it and just what I hoped would happen!! I want to here the GO's and WOWS!!!! on both sides. It's all good to know info and explains lots to a new Goldwing Ower (And I say that with pride! :D I'm taking it all in and so far:

First It would have to run from the crank and use a older syle GM internal reg. These are a dime a dozen here in the country where I live and I'd like chrome. One on-line auction Chrome and rebuilt 89.00!

On the other side, I'd be keeping the bike pretty much origanal but with the odds that this will/may hapen again. :( The stator that "Roddog" adding a link for above like like a quality look very nice! It states it's more powerful but how strong and would it carry pretty a Unlimited light pull ,,,Amps??

I must say that havivg power to spare as a FINE thing to have!

Thanks all and please keep the info coming.. Thank You!

Ben

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Ben , I an intrested in this topic because several years ago i was intrested in a gl1200 before i found my 1500. I knew about the stator problem from 20 years ago from a friends wing and researched the problem before buying another bike. I didn't want you to think im some nut . The aftermarket stator says 350 watts thats 29 amps at 12v. A lot for a cycle but not with a bunch of aftermarket stuff or anything heated. Hope it helps.
 

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Ben , I an intrested in this topic because several years ago i was intrested in a gl1200 before i found my 1500. I knew about the stator problem from 20 years ago from a friends wing and researched the problem before buying another bike. I didn't want you to think im some nut . The aftermarket stator says 350 watts thats 29 amps at 12v. A lot for a cycle but not with a bunch of aftermarket stuff or anything heated. Hope it helps.
Robdog,
It's not that way at all! Thanks for just blending in here and helping as you have.... When I bought this Wing I was in a hurry to buy and found this 1200 listed on cragslist about 20 mins. from my house! Took a look at the bike, it sounded good, Started Easy (Even cold!) but I didn't think to check the charging system as I knew no better and did not do the proper research as I should have!!!:( If I had, you can bet a volt meter would have been with me when I checked the bike out. But the bike looked and ran good and the rest is history. I should have thought something was up when the asking price was 2900.00 and I left and told him I'd have to think about it. When I got home a couple of hours later the guy called me and asked if I had made a desicion on the bike, I said not yet but was thinking about it. Then the guy said I really need the money, just what would you give today cash??? I said I'll give 1800.00 today in cash. He said DEAL! So bottom line I'm pretty sure he knew about the problem and I wish he would have let me know, chances are I would have still bought it. It's REALLY a Pretty bike and at that price I thought even if it does need some work I'll still come out pretty good... I really like the bike, but I have no idea what the bike is really worth and will be worth after I fix everything and she's rolling down the road looking SWEET!!

On the aftermarket Stator, I'm still undecided. I don't plan on having a bunch of lights on this bike, in fact I'll be removing many! It may have 4 extra lights when done. I do want a set of Fog Lights that kind of point off to the side for spotting Deer out in the country where I live we have PLENTY! Really all I want is for the bike to hold voltage even if it has to Idel for long periods rather than running the battery dead.

So for a Wing Nebie like me, any and all info helps just as your posts have!

Thanks ALL!!
Best Regards
Ben

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Combatflyer,

I got this from the NADA website

PRICING for a 1985 Honda GL1200 Interstate

Excellent:....$4,400
Very Good:..$2,750
Good:..........$1,600
Fair:.............$ 950

So if you bought it for $1800, and it is in very good condition (excluding the minor stator problem) then you are way ahead. My 85 Interstate had 39,xxx on it when I bought it from the dealer. It was in very good condition, and I paid $3100 for it.

I went with the external alternator because I was going on a round trip from SD to OR and wanted the security of knowing I would not have any charging system problems while traveling through some of the remote areas on the way. I made my own brackets and pulley bushing, total cost was around $100 to convert to external, and I did it over a weekend.

Whatever way you decide to go, I am sure you will get as big of a smile on your face as any of us do when we are riding our excellent touring machines.:)
 

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Are you using the GM Alt. I'm thinking of going for it and going external Alt.. I'll be trying a little twist with solid mounts on the alt. bolts and mounting a belt tensioner. Not sure how that will work but I have time to play with it. I planned on pulling the motor today, now I'll have to THINK more.:confused:;);)

What amp alt. you using and do you show +12 volts at idel?

Digging for info while thinking of maybe some improvements.

Thanks for the pricing info! I feel better now as the bikes pretty nice. Has 2 like new Dunlops, Front and rear brakes that feel AWESOME! I've replaced the pipes to all stock (Now that was pricey!) I'll feel pretty safe my first few rides but it's going to be a big change! (I do remember being young!) It's a heavy bike and will take some getting used to I'm sure. I've owned 750's, old honda 350 4 cyl (I think they may be rare now?) All kinds of bikes but never a CRUSIER! Can't wait!!

Thanks ALL!!!
Ben

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I am using the Nippondenso alternator from a Geo Metro. I used a 4.25" pulley from a power steering unit out of a 93 Toyota Camry for the crank pulley. With the larger crank pulley I am able to get 14.3 volts at idle. With the stock stator you get around 12.5 volts at idle, and you don't get anywhere near 14 volts until you get up past 2500 rpm.

A lot of guys have fabricated their own parts for doing the conversion. Your idea about the belt tensioner sounds interesting. Be sure and post pics of your conversion (if you go that route). Or just post some pics of your new cruiser!
 

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Hey Ben , probably a good weekend to do it . Last weekend I pulled apart my wing to install the wiring kit to incorporate my garmin zumo into the radio/intercom on the bike. Nice to have bluetooth so i can answer phone while on the road. Let us know how it goes. Rob
 

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Kwatts, AWESOME info!! THANK YOU!! I'll start searching for pulleys, The bolt for the crank plus make some brackets, it may take some extra time but hope the end product to be worth the work. (I just have dreams of that cool looking chrome alt. sitting just under the left cover doing any job I ask of it!!:D:D and Guys, I'd love to post pictures of the bike as it sits and all along the way through the conversion and rebuild, I have the camera and can post on e-bay and e-mail pics but I've tried many, MANY times over to post pics on forums with no luck at all. I'd like it and would be very cool but I'm not very good with computers and feel lucky to even get to post my questions here and just talk with you guys, (VERY OLD SCHOOL!!!:eek:)Forums are the BEST thing ever for the newbies of today and when I'm ready I will post here looking for a group ride somewhere... My first nice ride will be the Natchez-Trace Parkway, 10 miles from home!

Thanks everyone!
Can't wait!

Ben
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Oh!! By the way, does anyone have a couple of helments for sale?? I could use one XL and One L. It will be a while before my wife rides with me as I'd like to get used to the bike before Placing my family on it. So the XL would be ok for now, A matching set would be even better. I don't really care for full face ( I know there safer) but I like the 2/3 full I guess you could call it??? It never hurts to ask!:D

Thanks ALL!!
Ben
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