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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 06-24-2019, 10:10 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for INFO, I will try a Honda solenoid. I've had this bike for 3 years & it just started doing this.
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post #12 of 38 (permalink) Old 06-24-2019, 06:58 PM
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Oil Change - Crankcase Flush

Hey Jim - What oil are you using and how often do you change it ? Has your bike spent a lot of time sitting between rides ? Was your starter solenoid an original OEM Honda part ? Are you troubleshooting or just punting in changing out the starter solenoid ?

Although a sticking starter solenoid can cause the starter to stay engaged too long or drag with the motor running - when you mentioned having to rock the bike to disengage the starter, it sounds more like the starter clutch is not releasing.

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I have been putting it on the center stand for the last week and it has not stuck so I'll keep watching it but I'm leaning towards that diagnosis. I used regular 10w30 oil last change recently. If it is being caused by leaning on the side stand what would be the fix? major or minor?
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For the oil changes are you using Oil meant for wet Clutch's

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Starter Clutch -

Hey Jim - All Goldwings are tough as an old boot and with routine maintenance are known for providing their owner a very long and reliable life. Although if you park your bike leaning on the side stand, you can expect a little smoke once started - the motors are rock solid and can be parked on the side or center stand with no ill effects. Like any ground breaking design, the 4 cylinder GW's do have a few quirks as the Honda engineers cut new trail. The close tolerances within the starter clutch assembly can sometimes begin to stick or delay in their release because of an internal sticky residue and build up when (examples):

1 The bike has been parked full of OLD Contaminated oil for extended (many months-years) periods of time.
2 The oil used is a poor quality (off brand-low detergent) and/or NOT changed at the recommended intervals.

The starter clutch on your GW is a simple centrifugal design similar in principle to the clutch used on a go-cart motor. When a Briggs and Stratton engine is at idle the go-cart clutch sprags are retracted. As the motor RPM increases - the clutch internal fingers extend to engage the output hub and chain connected to the drive wheel.

Your GW starter output gear is directly connected to a small chain going up to the starter clutch. The 3 engagement roller pins of the clutch assembly are normally retracted. It's the spin of the starter that throws the engagement roller pins out to rotate the motor. Grit, grim and contamination can cause the starter clutch engagement pins to not retract. (The opposite can happen as well - the starter can spin but the engagement roller pins do not extend outward because they are stuck in the retracted position)

Many times a couple of short interval - back to back warm engine oil changes will resolve the problem. If a sticking starter clutch persists - a couple of oil/kerosene engine flushes (or name brand engine flush products) with a brief run on the center stand can help.

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post #16 of 38 (permalink) Old 06-28-2019, 02:56 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks Michael, I've got a diesel mechanic friend that is going to look at it. He doesn't know goldwings but he is more able than I am. It's back to the drawing board for me as it locked again this morning after I had been storing it on the center stand. It's no emergency though as I just made a deal on a 98 GW Aspencade 1500 with 106 K miles that has no mechanical problems, (at this time) Now I've got time to get the 1200a straightened out without missing out on the summer riding season. I wish I could find a knowledgeable GW mechanic near me as I'm afraid of what the dealer 50 miles from me would charge. I will tell my buddy about the starter clutch. Thanks again. I really appreciate all the advice.
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Starter Sticking -

Hey Jim - If you are lucky - your problem on the 1200 will be the starter solenoid which is an easy (replacement) fix.

For you and your buddy to get a better idea of the parts involved in the starter clutch assembly, there are blog discussions and Utube videos on the internet that can help. The 4 cylinder GW's all use the same basic design.

One other comment - once you throw your leg over a 1500 you are sunk. Those sweethearts will spoil you in the first 50 feet. 106k miles on the odometer is nothing.

Good Luck and Keep Us posted - Ride Safe Michael

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Hello Jim, What is the status of the starting issue?

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post #19 of 38 (permalink) Old 07-09-2019, 08:04 AM Thread Starter
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Still sticking. I have found a motorcycle mechanic to look at it. I will keep you all posted when fixed.
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post #20 of 38 (permalink) Old 07-09-2019, 08:08 AM Thread Starter
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Oh yeah, I love the 1500 & can't wait to get the 1200 fixed & gone to make more room for my new bike.
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